Remember only a couple of days ago I doubted whether AMD would release 4x4 for very cheap? Turns out (at least seems like) I was right. AMD's 4x4 roadmap has leaked (for those who don't understand dutch, click here). Looks like 4x4 will be available only in FX variant--FX70, FX72, and FX74, coming in at 2.6GHz, 2.8GHz, and 3.0GHz. What's more, you have to buy these processors in pairs--so the upgradability argument that AMD fanboys were giving just got flushed down the drain. Each of these processors will have 2x1MB L2 cache, and a TDP of whopping 125W. Now, I do not think that lineup is exactly cheap. Despite being beaten down pretty badly, AMD has priced its FX62 today at about $800. So I do not expect them to price each of these FXes below $600 a piece, or $1200 together (maybe the lowest one at about $999 for two--but again, that is not mainstream).
Mommy, why are AMD fanboys crying? Well honey, they were expecting caviar, but AMD served them a crow!!
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Looks like we got another blog fueled by another monotoned THG retard that experienced 3 years of suffering and is set to unleash all their aggression upon the world in the form of " slightly biased " blog entries.
Oh how lucky we all are.....
THG retard
Sharikou, is that you?
Buzz off! I do not censor posts here, but do not appreciate name-calling that much.
4x4 will cost $400+board so about $600.
"but do not appreciate name-calling that much."
So you do a little bit? Can I call you a small retard? Get it? hehe
Does it actually say anywhere that those are the only chips that will work in 4X4, I don't see it. It also doesn't say that current chips won't work in 4X4. Nor does it say that you can only put in chips in pairs. The only thing that article says is that those chips will be brought out especially for 4X4. That doesn't (by any stretch of the imagination) mean that they will be the only chips that work in it.
Think of it this way: (hypothetically) AMD is bringing out a FX-80 chip especially for AM2 boards. Now does that mean it is the only chip that will work in an AM2 board? Of course not.
Anyone else think this way, or is it just me?
Just you buddy. It doesn't say they'll be the only ones for 4x4, but current AM2/939/754 won't work since 4x4 is Socket F. Not sure if Socket F Opterons will work, but in that case, might as well get an Opteron system. To even be competitive with Kentsfield(though I wouldn't say double the TDP is competitive) AMD would have to clock them above 3GHZ, yet we have 2.6-3.0. And why would AMD bother releasing budget/maintream CPUs for this enthusiast platform?
And why would AMD bother releasing budget/maintream CPUs for this enthusiast platform?
That is the claim Sharikou and others are making regarding 4x4. SMP computing for masses and all that crap.
Can AM2 even support 4x4? Does the socket support those many HT links?
4x4 will cost $400+board so about $600.
Source please...
Roadmap shows FXes only, and those chips there do not surely look like $200 apiece.
Usually when a company says "Under 'X' price!", it's usually $1 dollar less:P Stupid infomercials and Wii XD
"Does the socket support those many HT links?"
Somebody doesn't know what they are talking about.
Somebody doesn't know what they are talking about.
Beg enlighten!!
I don't claim I know everything.
Since the socket gets linked to the chipset, and other sockets, one would expect number of HT links per socket to be finite. Isn't that true?
Well, it is a fact that you are an absolute 'Intel FANBOY'.
Oh, BTW, listen to this:
"AMD just announced that Socket AM2 chips are *not* ready for 4x4 mobos, so as to the socket F ones, since socket AM2 and socket F cannot handle so many HT links, therefore AMD should use AM3 instead, and the socket AM3 must be used in K8L or even K10 microarchitecture.
So that 4x4 will be revisited again and again, thus delayed to the year 2009.
By then, Intel will launch their 'Quad-core' CPUs using CSI 3.0, and the launch of "4x4"-like technology will also be likely. Then AMD will be BKed then.
Then I can project that AMD will BK in two years."
Is that the thing you want to express in this blog? Then I can tell you that this blog is of no difference as Sharikou's. DUMBASS!
The strategy on this makes perfect sense from a business/marketing perspective; of course
125Watt chips - this is going to make up such a small part of overall market and the people who are buyig these will also be buying the 700Watt power supplies and not care about power.
New socket/no backward compatibility - if this were pin compatible with single CPU AM2 boards it would cut AMD's mainstream higher end processor prices in half. Why would anyone buy a single FX62 for $800 if you could get a pair for ~$1000. And in the other direction; if you allowed the low end chips to fit in the board, why bother with the high end single CPU solutions instead of 4x4 solution with 2 cheap 3800's?
The only way for AMD to keep their completely inconsistent pricing (one FX62 = 800) vs pairs in the ~$1000 range is to make them incompatibel with each other from a MB perspective. In case folks forgot, isn;t this what happened in server space when everyone was using cheap opterons for desktop solutions (instead of $$$ FX's?)
With exception of workstation, why would any 'enthusiast' want 4x4 when Kentsfield is not an oven, does not need XP Pro(which would be obsolete with Vista this coming January), 4 DIMMS, new motherboard, blah blah. All that amounts to worse single threaded performance, probably marginal gains above Kentsfield in multithreaded.
I thought the earlier posts were pretty good but after reading this one I'm not so sure. I've been saying for awhile now that 4x4 would fit into the same pricing structure as FX. This would mean two chips for just under $1,000. I don't think this includes the motherboard or anything else.
Regular K8's only need one HT link. 2xxx Opteron need one coherent link and one non-coherent link. 8xxx Opteron's have 3 coherent links. We know that 4X4 FX has to have at least 1 coherent HT link and at least 1 non-coherent link. Now, most people will have noticed that there is no configuration with 2 coherent links. Theoretically you could do a 4-way system with 2 CHT links but then you would have nothing left over for I/O. So, with 2 CHT links you would still need a third non-coherent link. I guess they figure that if you are that close you may as well go all the way to 3 CHT links. There has been some suggestion that 4x4 FX will use 2 CHT links. I guess we will find out some time this quarter.
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